I had never taken a pro hormone before I started this stack. I started in great shape but wasn't going any higher. (peaked) I don't believe in hurting your body when trying to gain muscle like methyls do. I weighed 172 lbs when I started. I took 2 kits for 2 cycles (8 weeks) and ended at 190 lbs. Bench/squat/deads all went up about 40 lbs. I took the Arom-x for 4 weeks and lost a little water weight. I stay in between 188-194 for the last 3 months off cycle. I'm very happy with this stack, the best part being not losing what you gained. I think I will try the Anabolic Growth kit this company makes next time as it has a hardener added to it.